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		<title>There Is No Best Method &#8211; Or Is There?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A little while ago I made a post called All You Need To Learn Japanese Is Time, a response to a post on a Language Learning forum. The argument at the forum was that all methods are equal, the only factor in language learning is time. I argued that both time and method are necessary. [...]]]></description>
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<p>A little while ago I made a post called <a href="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/language/all-you-need-to-learn-japanese-is-time/"><strong>All You Need To Learn Japanese Is Time</strong></a>, a response to a post on a <a href="http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10024&#038;PN=0&#038;TPN=1">Language Learning forum</a>. The argument at the forum was that all methods are equal, the only factor in language learning is <strong>time</strong>.  I argued that both time and method are necessary. I liked how <a href="http://www.victorymanual.com/">Alex </a>summed it up in a comment:</p>
<blockquote><p>Method is as important as time. Neither should be sacrificed for the serious student.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since then I have found some other people&#8217;s responses to the forum. What follows are some highlights and some of my thoughts on them. If you are interested in this topic, here is some further reading for you and I&#8217;d love to hear your own thoughts. <span id="more-579"></span></p>
<p><img src="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/_images/bullet.png" alt="bullet " /> <strong>Edwin at the Tower of Confusion</strong> has written a post called <a href="http://towerofconfusion.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/no-best-method-hypothesis/">No Best Method Hypothesis</a>. He writes: </p>
<blockquote><p>Perhaps learning a language is like building up a personal relationship. People might have different tactics to ‘befriend’ your target person. But eventually if you want to build up a true relationship, you have to spend time, a lot of time. And you have to keep yourself motivated in the process.</p></blockquote>
<p>There are many interesting comments to the post as well. In one comment, <a href="http://kanji4.us/language-learning/">Keith</a> writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>Rather than merely saying that there is no best method, I would go so far as to say that ALL methods of language learning are inefficient. People are not learning from their methods. Instead, they are learning from their REVIEWS. Or perhaps they are learning from their USAGE of the language. But they are certainly not learning from their methods. If they were learning from their methods then they would not need to review. They would be done and could just move on to the next thing to learn. However, their methods are not that efficient.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that I agree with that comment. I think, perhaps, that no matter what, you will always have to review what you have learnt &#8211; whether that review is from an SRS program or from hearing it in a conversation, it is still review. I don&#8217;t think they are learning from their reviews &#8211; in fact, I believe it is better to learn <strong>before </strong>you review &#8211; but rather are just reinforcing what they have already learnt. That is, if your definition of &#8220;learnt&#8221; is to understand something, and the process of reviewing is to ground the information more firmly in your head. </p>
<p><img src="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/_images/bullet.png" alt="bullet " /> Another response is by Gbarto who posts <a href="http://gbarto.com/multilingua/confessions/2008/04/whats-best-language-learning-method-for.html">What&#8217;s The Best Language Learning Method For You?</a></p>
<blockquote><p>In this light, the debates about which method is best are silly. But if they keep people talking about new things that others might not have tried yet, they&#8217;re still useful. Ignore the bombast about who&#8217;s best, then, and keep reading the forums and blogs. You might just find what you are looking for now in spite of everyone&#8217;s best efforts to settle what&#8217;s best left unresolved.</p></blockquote>
<p>In this post Gbarto talks about the way s/he uses many methods and changes them up every once in a while. I do exactly the same thing. </p>
<p>I am beginning to think that perhaps, in a sense, the best method is to use many methods &#8211; both methods that are suited to your learning style (primary focus) and ones that are not (secondary focus, or for reinforcement of what you already know). For instance, I am a terrible listener. I like to be reading something at the same time (a transcript) and I often feel like I need no background noise &#8211; even if I can understand what is being said, the background sound distracts and annoys me. But listening skills is an important part of learning any language. I often do not &#8220;learn&#8221; anything while just listening, but I definitely strengthen skills and knowledge I already have. And lucky for me it is a task that I don&#8217;t like, but is made fun when attached to something like watching TV, (and where there are visual clues to help me). </p>
<p>Finally, <a href="http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2008/05/learning-methods-does-it-matter/">Tae Kim</a> had something to say:</p>
<blockquote><p>In the end, it doesn’t matter what study method you use as long as it helps you spend more time with the language. Still, I have to argue that you have to do my very simple method at some point for fluency, which as many of you already know, is to practice in a real-world context with real people and primary source materials not just artificial textbooks and dialogs. Ok, I guess it’s more common-sense than “a method” per se.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think we would all agree that primary sources are needed in learning a language. In fact, this is perhaps the goal of many (most? all?) people starting out learning a language.  But getting up to the stage where you can use those primary sources effectively is the hard part. Hence why many people want to get up to this stage as quickly as possible, and the debate over which method is &#8220;best&#8221;. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say you can&#8217;t learn a method in 30 minutes. But there are no short cuts where you can skip over bits and get their quicker. But I would argue that while it takes time to learn a language, there are more effective methods out there. But what is more effective for me may not be more effective for you. So you have to find the best method for you. And then you have to use the best method for you, combined with other methods, combined with real world sources&#8230;. </p>
<p>I think there is definitely some sense in saying &#8220;Enough arguing about method and just do it!&#8221; So just do it, just try every method you can. You&#8217;ll no doubt find a few that stick, and when the methods unstick themselves, do new ones. And spend the time doing it. And eventually you&#8217;ll learn that language. It&#8217;s all about the journey anyway, so just do it.</p>
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		<title>Three Ways to Overcome Burn Out</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 02:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I define <em>burning out</em> as not being able to find the motivation to do something, feel as though I've done it too much. But if I give up then my Japanese learning journey is over. 

Learning a language is not fun and easy all the time. If it was we all know multiple languages by now. Unfortunately we sometimes <strong>need to push ourselves</strong> to just get that bit further. Here are some ideas on how to overcome burn out. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://goddesscarlie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/overcomingburnout.jpg" alt="" title="overcomingburnout" width="200" height="300" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-463" />  When I do something, <strong>I usually do it to extremes until I can no long stand to do it any more.</strong> For instance, when I was younger I stamp collected to death. All my spare time was devoted to collecting stamps until I could do it no longer &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure what happened to that awesome stamp collection, now I wish I still had it, but I haven&#8217;t looked at a stamp that way in many many years.</p>
<p>The same is true in most of what I do, including language learning. I do it to the extremes sometimes, which can be a good thing and a not so good thing. One side effect of this is that I often burn out.</p>
<p>I define <em>burning out</em> as not being able to find the motivation to do something, feel as though I&#8217;ve done it too much. But if I give up then my Japanese learning journey is over. </p>
<p>Learning a language is not fun and easy all the time. If it was we all know multiple languages by now. Unfortunately we sometimes <strong>need to push ourselves</strong> to just get that bit further. Here are some ideas on how to overcome burn out. </p>
<p>First things first, the most important thing to remember, no matter what you choose to do, is to <font size="+1">not give up</font>. If you give up you&#8217;ll never know Japanese. You can try blaming the language &#8220;But Japanese is too hard&#8221; &#8211; but ultimately it was you! Millions of other people can learn Japanese, so you can too. <span id="more-462"></span></p>
<h2>1. Push Through What You are Doing.</h2>
<p>Sometimes you <strong>have to</strong> keep doing what you are doing. For instance, if you are doing a course you may have to do something for homework and the like. Or perhaps this is part of your job. Or maybe you have a bet with your friends and don&#8217;t want to have to run down the street naked. Whatever. The point is you have to do it, you have no choice. It has to get done. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what you do: <strong>You do it.</strong> You just plough through it. If there is a lot you need to do, then break it up to smaller chunks and work through each chunk. Set yourself time limits and see how much you can get done. You have to do it, so you might as well get it over and done with. </p>
<p>At the moment I&#8217;m suffering from <strong>textbook overuse</strong>. Yes, I am almost three quarters of the way through <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/4889962344?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=pencilgoddess-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=4889962344">Japanese for Everyone</a>, and I am sick to death of looking at it! Unfortunately, I have to learn the presented grammar, vocabulary and kanji for University. What I do is just set aside thirty minutes every day to work through it. As soon as my thirty minutes is up I stop and <strong>don&#8217;t worry about it again</strong>. </p>
<p>Soon you will find that actually finishing what you had to do gives you a great sense of achievement. Or at least <strong>relief</strong> that it is over. When you are finished what you need to do, give yourself a (Japanese language related) reward. You deserve it.</p>
<h2>2. Change Tactics</h2>
<p><img src="http://goddesscarlie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/startnewfire.jpg" alt="" title="startnewfire" width="200" height="267" class="alignright size-full wp-image-464" /> If you don&#8217;t have to keep on doing what you were doing, you have the freedom to change tactics. In other words, <strong>try a different approach</strong>. You will still be learning Japanese, how ever it will feel fresh, new, different. </p>
<p>You see, at the moment I&#8217;m suffering from <strong>SRS overuse</strong> (I told you I go hard at everything I do! And I&#8217;m feeling very burnt out at the moment!) I primarily use my <a href="http://ichi2.net/anki/">SRS</a> to learn new vocabulary and to practise grammar at the same time &#8211; through reviewing sentences. <a href="http://ichi2.net/anki/">Anki</a> has been sitting open on my computer for over a week and I haven&#8217;t touched it. If I&#8217;m not doing it, then I have to find something to replace this activity. </p>
<p>So I&#8217;ve started using the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/2700521005?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=pencilgoddess-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=2700521005">Assimil method</a>. And <strong>I&#8217;m having fun</strong> with it! Even though I am still just reinforcing grammar and learning new words, it feels like I&#8217;m doing something different. It feels fun.</p>
<p>And you never know &#8211; by trying something new you may <strong>discover a method that works ten times better</strong> for you than your previous one. If not, no loss, just try something else new.</p>
<h2>3. Take An Active Break</h2>
<p>If you feel like you can&#8217;t go on, then perhaps you need to <strong>take a break</strong>. A break is completely healthy and may actually help your progress in the long run. But do not take a complete break. </p>
<p>When an jogger is running through the streets and gets to a red traffic light, often they will not stop and stand there, waiting for the green man. Instead, they do what is known as an <strong>active break</strong>. They will jog slowly on the spot, and when the light goes green they start running again. When they are puffed, instead of stopping and collapsing on the ground, they walk until they have their breath back, and are straight back into running.</p>
<p>So instead of stopping completely and doing nothing, try taking an active break. Sit down and watch some Japanese tv or a movie.  Listen to your favourite Japanese music. Go to a Japanese restaurant and see how much of the menu you can understand. Do something!</p>
<p>An active break like this is also a great way to reward yourself for your hard work if you choose to do one of the other methods instead. It keeps us fresh and <strong>reminds us why we are learning Japanese</strong> in the first place!</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t forget to get back into studying again. Set yourself a limit and get back into it as soon as possible. Remember <font size="+1">don&#8217;t give up</font>. One week&#8217;s rest is a good amount of time to recuperate. If you still can&#8217;t get back into it you&#8217;re not trying hard enough. Don&#8217;t make excuses for yourself, just do it! </p>
<h2>Get Back Into Learning Japanese And Enjoy It</h2>
<p><img src="http://goddesscarlie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mykindoffire.jpg" alt="" title="mykindoffire" width="300" height="322" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-465" />  <strong>Burn out = bad.</strong> But don&#8217;t let that stop you. Burning out is <strong>all in your head</strong>, so you can go on, you just need to give yourself a bit of a push. </p>
<p>As I said before, if things were all smooth sailing in language learning we&#8217;d all be polyglots. And if you don&#8217;t do it and give up, well, you are <strong>only hurting yourself</strong>, letting yourself down. Just keep at it and you&#8217;ll progress in no time at all.</p>
<blockquote><p>In the comments, why not share your experiences of burn out and what you do to overcome it?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>All You Need To Learn Japanese Is Time</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 05:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a recent post on the Language Learning Forums an interesting theory is being discussed. The idea is that it doesn&#8217;t matter what materials you use to learn a language, all that matters is time. In other words, you can use any method, it doesn&#8217;t matter what, but as long as you do it you [...]]]></description>
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<p>In a <a href="http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10024&#038;PN=0&#038;TPN=1">recent post on the Language Learning Forums</a> an interesting theory is being discussed. The idea is that <strong>it doesn&#8217;t matter what materials you use to learn a language, all that matters is time.</strong> In other words, you can use any method, it doesn&#8217;t matter what, but as long as you do it you will learn Japanese. I note that somewhere through the original poster changed his or her tune and started saying that method does matter (it has to be material that was intended for natives of the language, i.e. movies, books, etc) &#8211; Way to hurt your argument. I found this highly amusing that they are arguing one thing and saying another. Never the less, <strong>is time all you need?</strong></p>
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<h2>Time</h2>
<p><img src="http://goddesscarlie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/time.jpg" alt="" title="time" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-432" /> Time is an important factor when learning a language. For instance, many people ask &#8220;<strong>How long will it take me to learn Japanese?</strong>&#8221; My favourite answer to that is: <i>&#8220;Exact </i>(sic)<i> 5.37011 years. Adjust up or down based on high school GPA&#8221;</i> &#8211; from <a href="http://www.japan-guide.com/forum/quereadisplay.html?0+15906">Japan Guide</a>.</p>
<p>Time is also important because without spending any time on learning Japanese, well, you aren&#8217;t going to learn it. But, can you use any method at all and eventually you will know Japanese? Are all the different ways of learning Japanese essentially the same in terms of how much you learn an hour and therefore <strong>people need to stop worrying about the <em>how </em>and <em>just do</em>?</strong> </p>
<p>I would argue that time is important in that the more time you have the more opportunity you have to learn more. However, there are more effective ways of using your time. For instance, if I was to watch Japanese TV programs and read Japanese magazines, I would probably eventually learn to understand Japanese. But for me, these are very slow methods indeed. Instead, if I learn the grammar of Japanese through a text book (for me it needs to be in written form) <strong>I can learn a lot more in a smaller amount of time</strong> (and then watch TV shows to reinforce what I have learnt!). </p>
<p>Perhaps if we all had an infinite amount of time to learn a language it wouldn&#8217;t matter, but a lot of people only have a certain amount a time a day that they can dedicate to their studies. So while time is an important factor, it isn&#8217;t the only factor. </p>
<h2>Method</h2>
<p><img src="http://goddesscarlie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/method.jpg" alt="" title="method" width="200" height="165" class="alignright size-full wp-image-437" />  Is there a secret method that will enable you to understand Japanese completely within a small amount of time? <strong>Not without some effort</strong> on your part. There are many variables when learning a language, such as what experience you have in similar languages and what particular learning styles you learn best with. To put it simply, there are methods out there that are better for you than other ones. </p>
<p>To find the right one, you will have to <strong>discover how you learn best</strong> and seek out these methods. I recommend you use a range of techniques for effective learning and to compliment what you have learnt elsewhere. It also stops things from getting stale &#8211; when you feel you have had enough of one method you can move onto another seamlessly.</p>
<p>Many programs and gurus talk about <strong>using materials that you find fun</strong>. This is good advice in that it keeps you motivated and time can fly by without feeling like you are learning. However, fun activities may not be the most effective ways to learn. So while you are having fun you may plateau or move at a slow pace &#8211; two things that may entice you to give up even though you are having fun.</p>
<p>The thing many methods forget to tell you is that<strong> learning Japanese is work</strong>. It doesn&#8217;t have to be hard work, but it is work. If your ideal way of learning is through grammar &#8211; well, I think we can all agree that grammar in itself isn&#8217;t fun. However, perhaps you can find a way to make the boring bits fun. </p>
<p>Perhaps you find fun in <strong>challenging yourself</strong>, to see how much you can learn in an hour, for example, excites you.  Setting challenges can be an effective way to study. It is a type of goal setting, and seeing if you can work to your arbitrary goals. Your mind is focused on learning and less likely to get distracted, and when you meet your goals and exceed them, that can be very satisfying. </p>
<p>Another way is to balance out the &#8220;boring yet necessary&#8221; bits with fun. One way I do this is to set myself a goal to reach, and once I have reached it I get to watch a TV show, for example. The boring bits will make you appreciate the fun bits all the more, and <strong>motivate you to work hard for your reward</strong>. It also pays off when you find you can hear/read etc. what you have just learnt in your reward &#8211; knowing you have made progress is a great feeling. </p>
<h2>To sum up:</h2>
<p><img src="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/_images/bullet.png" alt="bullet" /> Time is an important factor when learning Japanese, however it is possible to waste time on ineffective learning methods.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/_images/bullet.png" alt="bullet" /> Discover how you learn best and utilise this information to learn at your optimum pace. Use a range of materials to keep you interested and to compliment what you have learnt in other places.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/_images/bullet.png" alt="bullet" /> Having fun while learning is a great motivation factor (to keep you continuing your studies and not give up) however it can also be a poor use of your time. I recommend trying to find a balance between the boring and fun bits &#8211; and believe me you don&#8217;t remember the boring bits when you are understanding a chunk of real Japanese. </p>
<h2>What are your thoughts?</h2>
<p>What are your thoughts on people&#8217;s quests to find the magical method to learn Japanese quickly and painlessly? Should people just work on learning Japanese instead of worrying about how to go about it, or should people take some time to consider what methods they should use? Leave a response in the comments!</p>
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