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		<title>To Grammar Or Not To Grammar, That Is The Question</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been reading a few articles lately about learning grammar vs. not learning grammar. Most of these articles are in the Not To Grammar group, which is interesting as I am in the &#8220;at least at first, if you want to, and I do, To Grammar&#8221; group. Yes, perhaps I&#8217;m in the minority with the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/eep.jpg" rel="lightbox[1446]"><img src="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/eep-235x138.jpg" alt="eep" title="eep" width="235" height="138" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1489" /></a>  I&#8217;ve been reading a <a href="http://natural-language-acquisition.blogspot.com/2009/02/youseiouchou5.html">few</a> <a href="http://www.spanish-only.com/2009/01/screw-grammar/">articles</a> <a href="http://gbarto.com/multilingua/confessions/2009/02/learning-without-grammar.html">lately</a> about learning grammar vs. not learning grammar. </p>
<p>Most of these articles are in the Not To Grammar group, which is interesting as I am in the &#8220;at least at first, if you want to, and I do, To Grammar&#8221; group. Yes, perhaps I&#8217;m in the minority with the latest crazes running through the language learning community&#8230; I don&#8217;t believe in &#8220;memorizing&#8221; grammar, but I do think, at least in the beginning, grammar learning <strong>IS</strong> a help and I can&#8217;t imagine learning Japanese as quickly as I have without initially learning how sentences are put together compared to English.</p>
<p>This being said, I am open to all forms of learning, and thus I have read these articles with much interest. Here is one interesting point that is made.</p>
<p>From <a href="http://natural-language-acquisition.blogspot.com/2009/02/youseiouchou5.html">Keith&#8217;s Voice On Extreme Language Learning</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m trying not to, but when there is a pause, I can hear my mind translating. I wish I hadn&#8217;t studied Chinese. Not even a little bit. For words I have never looked up, I don&#8217;t automatically translate them. Translations are like an anchor. They slow you down.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is in regards to watching Chinese TV. </p>
<p>I sort of think of this like learning Kanji via first <a href="http://goddesscarlie.com/remembering-the-kanji/">Remembering the Kanji</a>. First you are learning things via an English keyword. However, as your Japanese advances, you forget the keyword and just see/read the Kanji in Japanese with the Japanese word/reading in your head.</p>
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<p>The point in the above quote is that learning grammar makes you translate things in your head. And translation = bad. Yes, you will get to the stage when translation is harder than just understanding&#8230; But in the beginning, I just can&#8217;t picture what it would be like <em>not </em>to translate.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m not advanced enough in Japanese to have a qualified opinion (and well, it will be interesting to see if my opinion changes over time, which is one reason I&#8217;m writing on this site!) but I have a hard time imagining how a beginner can learn a language, especially one so different from English as Japanese, without some how translating at least in the beginning. </p>
<p>Yes, for words like &#8220;よろしく&#8221; there is no direct translation. For most words and concepts there will be different nuances and way of expressing&#8230; If you understand that the translation isn&#8217;t going to be direct but just a suggestion, then you will be fine. With greater exposure you will gradually become aware of the different nuances of the word/concept and forget about the translation. I would perhaps argue if you are still translating something it is just because you haven&#8217;t had enough exposure to it yet&#8230;</p>
<p>That being said, I am what I think of as a &#8220;<a href="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/language/your-learning-style%E2%80%A6-learning-japanese-as-effectively-and-as-quickly-as-possible/">nuts and bolts</a>&#8221; person. I like to know how stuff gets put together. I find that I understand things better when I know where they have come from/how they are made. I am not one of those people that can just go to the movies and not analyse aspects of it. I still enjoy my movies, in fact I gain a deeper appreciation of movies when I do analyse&#8230; This being said, I readily accept that other people are not like this.</p>
<p>THUS&#8230; I get to my point&#8230;</p>
<h3>Grammar is good for some people, Grammar is not good for others</h3>
<p>Don&#8217;t rule something out because other people tell you to! Grammar may be the devil incarnate to some people, but for me it is a useful tool in my quest to learn Japanese.</p>
<p>However, this was said on <a href="http://gbarto.com/multilingua/confessions/2009/02/learning-without-grammar.html">Confessions of a Language Addict</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>But the more I play with Assimil programs, phrasebooks and Pimsleur, the more convinced I am that the way you master grammatical patterns is to say a lot of sentences the right way and let your brain do the grammar processing based on habits formed rather than through deliberate conscious processing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, this! I have to say, I agree with the <a href="http://gbarto.com/multilingua/confessions/2009/02/learning-without-grammar.html">whole article</a>. I don&#8217;t think I could have said it better myself. Grammar (to me) is important in <strong>decoding</strong> language, but when I am speaking in Japanese, I&#8217;m not worried about what particle to say when, I just speak. Yes, I know I&#8217;m rubbish, but I&#8217;ll get better. <img src='http://www.goddesscarlie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/glad.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The thing is, don&#8217;t worry about it too much. I don&#8217;t memorize it, I don&#8217;t know grammar terms so I&#8217;m not into really analyzing it&#8230; It just helps me understand things which were once abstract into becoming something comprehensible&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Kanji Websites</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 10:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>GoddessCarlie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here are some great websites to help you learn Kanji!! I&#8217;ve previously talked about Reviewing the Kanji website, but it should be mentioned again as it is my favourite place to go and&#8230; well, review the kanji. Speedanki.com is a place where you review kanji combinations based on what level of the JLPT you are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some great websites to help you learn Kanji!!</p>
<p><img src="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/_images/bullet.png" alt="bullet" /> I&#8217;ve previously talked about <a href="http://kanji.koohii.com/">Reviewing the Kanji </a>website, but it should be mentioned again as it is my favourite place to go and&#8230; well, review the kanji.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/_images/bullet.png" alt="bullet" /> <a href="http://www.speedanki.com/">Speedanki.com</a> is a place where you review kanji combinations based on what level of the JLPT you are up to. Great for reading in context rather than just recognising individual kanji.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/_images/bullet.png" alt="bullet" /> <a href="http://www.jlpt-kanji.com/">JLPT Kanji Project</a> is a great site! You can review kanji including seeing lots of kanji combinations. You can study kanji by JLPT level, and there is also a vocab testing section.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/_images/bullet.png" alt="bullet" /> <a href="http://www.japanese-kanji.com/">Drill The Kanji </a>is a java applet program that allows you to test you on your kanji. There are on-yomi and kun-yomi tests, meaning tests and a review section.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/_images/bullet.png" alt="bullet" /> <a href="http://www.kanji-a-day.com/index.php">A Kanji A Day</a> &#8211; with a name like that, do I need to say more?</p>
<p><img src="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/_images/bullet.png" alt="bullet" /> It looks like it was designed by someone from MySpace or something, but<a href="http://www.msu.edu/%7Elakejess/kanjigame.html"> Kanji Game</a> is&#8230; a great kanji game <img src='http://www.goddesscarlie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/glad.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  They also have a compounds game and a katakana and hiragana page.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.goddesscarlie.com/_images/bullet.png" alt="bullet" /> Previous columns in the <a href="http://www.kanjiclinic.com/preart.htm">Kanji Clinic</a> page offer lots of advice in learning kanji.</p>
<p>So good luck with all your Kanji learning!</p>
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		<title>Remembering to Remember the Kanji</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 13:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>GoddessCarlie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, so I&#8217;ve been fairly slack with updating on my Japanese progress, as well as being slack with actually learning Japanese. Don&#8217;t you just hate it how life gets in the way? But I&#8217;m just making excuses. It&#8217;s been over a month since I lasted posted any Japanese. I am hoping to posting more regularly [...]]]></description>
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<p>OK, so I&#8217;ve been fairly slack with updating on my Japanese progress, as well as being slack with actually learning Japanese. Don&#8217;t you just hate it how life gets in the way?</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m just making excuses. It&#8217;s been over a month since I lasted posted any Japanese. I am hoping to posting more regularly from now on. Hopefully at least twice a week. And more lessons soon, ok!</p>
<p>Anyway, up there, that is my latest progress on my Kanji. I&#8217;m happy to see I actually have added more kanji in the last month, so I haven&#8217;t been as slack as I thought. I just tested myself on my expired cards, and I got 66% correct. So far that is about how much on average I get correct, so that&#8217;s good. I&#8217;m all ways happy to see that I get more correct than wrong. This kanji stuff is hard!!!</p>
<p>But I do need to get my act together and add more cards. And&#8230; you know.. do the other things I&#8217;m falling behind on. Like doing the dishes.</p>
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